[Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg

Discussion:

Gary Hawkins

2017-02-19 22:43:51 UTC

HI,

I am trying out inkscape 92 and downloaded 92.1 for windows 10

I just spent over an hour manually tracing a file I was hoping to use on my
digital cutter - but it seem inkscape has changed the svg lines to an image
- as useful as a chocolate fireguard or teapot - and I don't now how it did
it but effing annoying!!!!

Steps I did
I loaded in an image with the design on
I manually traced the outline, using black stroke for cutting and red
stroke for any folding (non cut) lines
I moved the traced lines to a new layer above the current one
turned off the eye on the cut lines layer
moved the actual image to the centre of the page
locked the image layer
opened the eye on the cut line layer
selected the svg lines and at the bottom of the screen it say it's an image
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X -
so it HAS changed it to an image

so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over
again. and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might well
be dumped off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to images
for no reason.

NOT IMPRESSED

and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double
lines and I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line
trace.

Gaz

Maren Hachmann

2017-02-19 23:39:09 UTC

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Hi Gary,

I understand your frustration, loosing work is hard.

But if what you wrote about your 'svg lines' (i.e. paths) showing up in
outline mode is correct, then your work is not lost.

Post by Gary Hawkins
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X
- so it HAS changed it to an image

So, if this is true - both are still there? Or how did you mean this?

Are you able to upload the svg file somewhere? E.g. dropbox, google
drive, framadrop.org?

I think you may just have accidentally selected the image, and your
paths are still there, maybe on a hidden layer.

One important advice:
In any case, activate the autosave feature. You can find it in Edit ->
Preferences -> Input/Output -> Autosave. If you mess up a file, or
Inkscape crashes without making a backup, these autosaves are invaluable.

You can also use the Undo functionality, when you haven't closed
Inkscape, to get back to a previous state.

Kind Regards,
Maren

Post by Gary Hawkins
HI,
I am trying out inkscape 92 and downloaded 92.1 for windows 10
I just spent over an hour manually tracing a file I was hoping to use on
my digital cutter - but it seem inkscape has changed the svg lines to an
image - as useful as a chocolate fireguard or teapot - and I don't now
how it did it but effing annoying!!!!
Steps I did
I loaded in an image with the design on
I manually traced the outline, using black stroke for cutting and red
stroke for any folding (non cut) lines
I moved the traced lines to a new layer above the current one
turned off the eye on the cut lines layer
moved the actual image to the centre of the page
locked the image layer
opened the eye on the cut line layer
selected the svg lines and at the bottom of the screen it say it's an image
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X
- so it HAS changed it to an image
so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over
again. and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might
well be dumped off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to
images for no reason.
NOT IMPRESSED
and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double
lines and I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line
trace.
Gaz
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Gary Hawkins

2017-02-20 02:25:11 UTC

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Thanks for the reply.

this line

Post by Gary Hawkins
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X
- so it HAS changed it to an image

should have read

Post by Gary Hawkins
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show AS a white square with a X
- so it HAS changed it to an image

the file had one image (layer 1) and one set of paths (svg lines - if only
I could have thought of the word paths when I first typed this ;) ) layer 2
this had two colours, back stroke cut lines and red stroke score lines.
now I have two images - the original one (layer 1) and the one I had as
paths (layer2) two colours. it seems to have converted the paths to an
image. I have no paths in the file any more.

I have sat and manually re-traced it again!! NOT in 92 as for me this is
unstable and has now been removed from my system. I used 91 and have
overwritten the original file, as images are useless to me, apart from for
tracing, as they crash the cutter software if sent to the machine.

I tend to have autosave turned on but I guess installing 92 set it to be
off and I did not think to check it.

Post by Gary Hawkins
Hi Gary,
I understand your frustration, loosing work is hard.
But if what you wrote about your 'svg lines' (i.e. paths) showing up in
outline mode is correct, then your work is not lost.

Post by Gary Hawkins
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X
- so it HAS changed it to an image

So, if this is true - both are still there? Or how did you mean this?
Are you able to upload the svg file somewhere? E.g. dropbox, google
drive, framadrop.org?
I think you may just have accidentally selected the image, and your
paths are still there, maybe on a hidden layer.
In any case, activate the autosave feature. You can find it in Edit ->
Preferences -> Input/Output -> Autosave. If you mess up a file, or
Inkscape crashes without making a backup, these autosaves are invaluable.
You can also use the Undo functionality, when you haven't closed
Inkscape, to get back to a previous state.
Kind Regards,
Maren

image

Post by Gary Hawkins
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X
- so it HAS changed it to an image
so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over
again. and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might
well be dumped off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to
images for no reason.
NOT IMPRESSED
and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double
lines and I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line
trace.
Gaz
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brynn

2017-02-20 05:33:24 UTC

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I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I think we've all been there!

We have not had any reports about vector paths getting changed to raster image
in Windows. (It can happen on Macs, but not on Windows.)

The square with the X showing in Outline mode, just means that there's a raster
image in the file. And you've already told us you have an imported raster image
that you're tracing. So that shouldn't be a surprise.

I wonder if you might have selected the wrong thing? Or maybe you had moved
something to the new layer that you didn't intend (happens to me a lot). Or
something went wrong, obviously.

If you can share the SVG file, we can help you to sort things out.

I realize you've said, in a subsequent message, that you reverted to 0.91.

But I still wonder if you might allow us to look at the file, if you still have
it? Because if there is a new bug, we need to be able to verify it, so the
programmers can find the problem in the code and fix it.

If you do happen to upgrade again, and you see this same thing is happening,
would you please report it to us, including instructions for reproducing the
problem, so that we can investigate?

Thanks, and better luck :-)
brynn

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:43 PM
To: inkscape-***@lists.sf.net ; Inkscape User Community
Subject: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg

HI,

I am trying out inkscape 92 and downloaded 92.1 for windows 10

I just spent over an hour manually tracing a file I was hoping to use on my
digital cutter - but it seem inkscape has changed the svg lines to an image - as
useful as a chocolate fireguard or teapot - and I don't now how it did it but
effing annoying!!!!

Steps I did
I loaded in an image with the design on
I manually traced the outline, using black stroke for cutting and red stroke for
any folding (non cut) lines
I moved the traced lines to a new layer above the current one
turned off the eye on the cut lines layer
moved the actual image to the centre of the page
locked the image layer
opened the eye on the cut line layer
selected the svg lines and at the bottom of the screen it say it's an image
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X - so it
HAS changed it to an image

so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over again.
and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might well be dumped
off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to images for no reason.

NOT IMPRESSED

and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double lines and
I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line trace.

Gaz

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Gary Hawkins

2017-02-20 06:00:44 UTC

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Hi

Yes I did expect to see one image (large X) but when I got two large X's
and clicking on the black and red paths I had drawn and it saying in the
info strip at the bottom image I was a little p'd off.
never had this happen before.

as I said, I re-traced it manually as trace bitmap gives double lines as it
traces inside and outside of a line (no centre trace) and saved over the
original file as I did not want to confuse with two files (one OK and the
other useless rubbish)

yes, I have gone back to 91 and 92 has been dumped.
to be honest I have no idea how it became an image. I had layer 1 with the
image (for tracing) and traced my paths onto layer 2. I tend to trace this
way as it's not possible to select the image if you lock lay one so manual
tracing is easier. I traced my cut paths in black, then went back and added
the paths I wanted to score in red. I then turned off the eye on layer 2 to
check the image for something (forget what now) and when I turned the eye
on layer 2 back on and selected what should have been paths (still showing
black and red) it said image in the info bar (at the bottom) I thought it
was selecting the bottom layer so I went into view>outline mode and both
layers showed the large X. Ink92 was called some very, very bad names

Post by brynn
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I think we've all been there!
We have not had any reports about vector paths getting changed to raster
image in Windows. (It can happen on Macs, but not on Windows.)
The square with the X showing in Outline mode, just means that there's a
raster image in the file. And you've already told us you have an imported
raster image that you're tracing. So that shouldn't be a surprise.
I wonder if you might have selected the wrong thing? Or maybe you had
moved something to the new layer that you didn't intend (happens to me a
lot). Or something went wrong, obviously.
If you can share the SVG file, we can help you to sort things out.
I realize you've said, in a subsequent message, that you reverted to 0.91.
But I still wonder if you might allow us to look at the file, if you still
have it? Because if there is a new bug, we need to be able to verify it,
so the programmers can find the problem in the code and fix it.
If you do happen to upgrade again, and you see this same thing is
happening, would you please report it to us, including instructions for
reproducing the problem, so that we can investigate?
Thanks, and better luck :-)
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:43 PM
Subject: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg
HI,
I am trying out inkscape 92 and downloaded 92.1 for windows 10
I just spent over an hour manually tracing a file I was hoping to use on
my digital cutter - but it seem inkscape has changed the svg lines to an
image - as useful as a chocolate fireguard or teapot - and I don't now how
it did it but effing annoying!!!!
Steps I did
I loaded in an image with the design on
I manually traced the outline, using black stroke for cutting and red
stroke for any folding (non cut) lines
I moved the traced lines to a new layer above the current one
turned off the eye on the cut lines layer
moved the actual image to the centre of the page
locked the image layer
opened the eye on the cut line layer
selected the svg lines and at the bottom of the screen it say it's an image
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X -
so it HAS changed it to an image
so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over
again. and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might well
be dumped off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to images
for no reason.
NOT IMPRESSED
and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double
lines and I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line
trace.
Gaz
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brynn

2017-02-20 09:18:34 UTC

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Oh, I understand completely! We all were newbies once and we've all been
through things like this.

It does sound strange to suddenly have 2 images.

If you still have the rubbish file, could we look at it?

Thanks,
brynn

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:00 PM
To: brynn ; Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg

Hi

Yes I did expect to see one image (large X) but when I got two large X's and
clicking on the black and red paths I had drawn and it saying in the info strip
at the bottom image I was a little p'd off.
never had this happen before.

as I said, I re-traced it manually as trace bitmap gives double lines as it
traces inside and outside of a line (no centre trace) and saved over the
original file as I did not want to confuse with two files (one OK and the other
useless rubbish)

yes, I have gone back to 91 and 92 has been dumped.
to be honest I have no idea how it became an image. I had layer 1 with the image
(for tracing) and traced my paths onto layer 2. I tend to trace this way as it's
not possible to select the image if you lock lay one so manual tracing is
easier. I traced my cut paths in black, then went back and added the paths I
wanted to score in red. I then turned off the eye on layer 2 to check the image
for something (forget what now) and when I turned the eye on layer 2 back on and
selected what should have been paths (still showing black and red) it said image
in the info bar (at the bottom) I thought it was selecting the bottom layer so
I went into view>outline mode and both layers showed the large X. Ink92 was
called some very, very bad names

On 20 February 2017 at 05:33, brynn <***@frii.com> wrote:
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I think we've all been there!

We have not had any reports about vector paths getting changed to raster image
in Windows. (It can happen on Macs, but not on Windows.)

The square with the X showing in Outline mode, just means that there's a raster
image in the file. And you've already told us you have an imported raster image
that you're tracing. So that shouldn't be a surprise.

I wonder if you might have selected the wrong thing? Or maybe you had moved
something to the new layer that you didn't intend (happens to me a lot). Or
something went wrong, obviously.

If you can share the SVG file, we can help you to sort things out.

I realize you've said, in a subsequent message, that you reverted to 0.91.

But I still wonder if you might allow us to look at the file, if you still have
it? Because if there is a new bug, we need to be able to verify it, so the
programmers can find the problem in the code and fix it.

If you do happen to upgrade again, and you see this same thing is happening,
would you please report it to us, including instructions for reproducing the
problem, so that we can investigate?

Thanks, and better luck :-)
brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Gary Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:43 PM
To: inkscape-***@lists.sf.net ; Inkscape User Community
Subject: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg

HI,

I am trying out inkscape 92 and downloaded 92.1 for windows 10

I just spent over an hour manually tracing a file I was hoping to use on my
digital cutter - but it seem inkscape has changed the svg lines to an image - as
useful as a chocolate fireguard or teapot - and I don't now how it did it but
effing annoying!!!!

Steps I did
I loaded in an image with the design on
I manually traced the outline, using black stroke for cutting and red stroke for
any folding (non cut) lines
I moved the traced lines to a new layer above the current one
turned off the eye on the cut lines layer
moved the actual image to the centre of the page
locked the image layer
opened the eye on the cut line layer
selected the svg lines and at the bottom of the screen it say it's an image
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X - so it
HAS changed it to an image

so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over again.
and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might well be dumped
off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to images for no reason.

NOT IMPRESSED

and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double lines and
I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line trace.

Gaz

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C R

2017-02-20 09:28:15 UTC

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I wouldn't assume this user is a newbie. :)
But yes, if we can see the original file, maybe we can try and
reproduce the error at least.

-C

Post by brynn
Oh, I understand completely! We all were newbies once and we've all been
through things like this.
It does sound strange to suddenly have 2 images.
If you still have the rubbish file, could we look at it?
Thanks,
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:00 PM
To: brynn ; Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg
Hi
Yes I did expect to see one image (large X) but when I got two large X's and
clicking on the black and red paths I had drawn and it saying in the info strip
at the bottom image I was a little p'd off.
never had this happen before.
as I said, I re-traced it manually as trace bitmap gives double lines as it
traces inside and outside of a line (no centre trace) and saved over the
original file as I did not want to confuse with two files (one OK and the other
useless rubbish)
yes, I have gone back to 91 and 92 has been dumped.
to be honest I have no idea how it became an image. I had layer 1 with the image
(for tracing) and traced my paths onto layer 2. I tend to trace this way as it's
not possible to select the image if you lock lay one so manual tracing is
easier. I traced my cut paths in black, then went back and added the paths I
wanted to score in red. I then turned off the eye on layer 2 to check the image
for something (forget what now) and when I turned the eye on layer 2 back on and
selected what should have been paths (still showing black and red) it said image
in the info bar (at the bottom) I thought it was selecting the bottom layer so
I went into view>outline mode and both layers showed the large X. Ink92 was
called some very, very bad names
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I think we've all been there!
We have not had any reports about vector paths getting changed to raster image
in Windows. (It can happen on Macs, but not on Windows.)
The square with the X showing in Outline mode, just means that there's a raster
image in the file. And you've already told us you have an imported raster image
that you're tracing. So that shouldn't be a surprise.
I wonder if you might have selected the wrong thing? Or maybe you had moved
something to the new layer that you didn't intend (happens to me a lot). Or
something went wrong, obviously.
If you can share the SVG file, we can help you to sort things out.
I realize you've said, in a subsequent message, that you reverted to 0.91.
But I still wonder if you might allow us to look at the file, if you still have
it? Because if there is a new bug, we need to be able to verify it, so the
programmers can find the problem in the code and fix it.
If you do happen to upgrade again, and you see this same thing is happening,
would you please report it to us, including instructions for reproducing the
problem, so that we can investigate?
Thanks, and better luck :-)
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:43 PM
Subject: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg
HI,
I am trying out inkscape 92 and downloaded 92.1 for windows 10
I just spent over an hour manually tracing a file I was hoping to use on my
digital cutter - but it seem inkscape has changed the svg lines to an image - as
useful as a chocolate fireguard or teapot - and I don't now how it did it but
effing annoying!!!!
Steps I did
I loaded in an image with the design on
I manually traced the outline, using black stroke for cutting and red stroke for
any folding (non cut) lines
I moved the traced lines to a new layer above the current one
turned off the eye on the cut lines layer
moved the actual image to the centre of the page
locked the image layer
opened the eye on the cut line layer
selected the svg lines and at the bottom of the screen it say it's an image
if I go into view>outline my svg lines show and a whwite square with a X - so it
HAS changed it to an image
so that was a waste of couple of hours as I now have to start all over again.
and it WON'T be using inkscape 92!!! in fact inkscape 92 might well be dumped
off the system as it's useless if it convert svg lines to images for no reason.
NOT IMPRESSED
and before anyone asks, I cannot use trace bitmap as that gives double lines and
I need single lines and inkscape does not have a centre line trace.
Gaz
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brynn

2017-02-20 10:32:50 UTC

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I didn't assume is a newbie - didn't mean to imply I thought he was, in fact
sounds like not - just trying to find common grounds :-)

brynn

-----Original Message-----
From: C R
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:28 AM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg

I wouldn't assume this user is a newbie. :)
But yes, if we can see the original file, maybe we can try and
reproduce the error at least.

-C

C R

2017-02-20 10:55:02 UTC

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Thanks for clarifying. I figured this is what was meant. :)
-C

Post by brynn
I didn't assume is a newbie - didn't mean to imply I thought he was, in fact
sounds like not - just trying to find common grounds :-)
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: C R
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:28 AM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] inkscape 92.1 screwing up svg
I wouldn't assume this user is a newbie. :)
But yes, if we can see the original file, maybe we can try and
reproduce the error at least.
-C

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Maren Hachmann

2017-02-20 20:59:16 UTC

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Btw. there *is* a centerline trace extension for Inkscape (but it
appears to be difficult to install on Windows, so no guarantees):

https://github.com/fablabnbg/inkscape-centerline-trace

(it worked great for me when I traced a kirigami pattern)

Regards,
Maren

Post by C R
Thanks for clarifying. I figured this is what was meant. :)
-C

Gary Hawkins

2017-02-20 22:13:10 UTC

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I did look at that a while back but could never get it to work so gave it
up as a bad job (bit like the svg output from gimp LOL)

I generally do tracing by manual path placement using bezier or such.
rarely use trace bitmap unless it's a large clipart type image where it
will trace flat colours etc. but normally it's quicker to just click around
the shape and place the nodes.

Post by Maren Hachmann
Btw. there *is* a centerline trace extension for Inkscape (but it
https://github.com/fablabnbg/inkscape-centerline-trace
(it worked great for me when I traced a kirigami pattern)
Regards,
Maren

Post by C R
Thanks for clarifying. I figured this is what was meant. :)
-C

Post by brynn
I didn't assume is a newbie - didn't mean to imply I thought he was, in

fact